Talk:Salah

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Why is this article called Salah when the body text consistently used Salat? Jpatokal (talk) 03:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I was asking myself the same thing. The way I see it, User:CrvzyDxvil changed Salah to Salat in this edit. I'm not sure if he ever had the right to, and there should probably be a consensus, rather than sudden edits. I am in no way qualified to weigh in, though. Momsemann (talk) 13:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

It should be Salah when written in isolation; it should only become Salat when the word is followed by the possessive, e.g. when one is specifying which Salah it is, such as in Salat al-Fajr. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The rules of Arabic grammar are irrelevant here, what matters is the most common name in English and I'm pretty sure that's Salat. Jpatokal (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Except that's not plainly the case, which is why the page sits at Salah. (Although Mo Salah may also play a role.) Anyway, since both spellings are in use, why not use the grammatically correct as opposed to grammatically nonsensical form? Iskandar323 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I've seen your comment right there, but I changed it to Salat because of how we pronounce it in arabic with forming in arabic "اَلشَّكْلُ" so Salah will be pronounced like this اَلصَلاَه however Salat will be spelled like this اَلصَلاَةْ, so now I hope you have an idea why I changed it, and I/we don't need a consensus for something that is obviously needs changing and I'm very confident that word needs changing because I'm an arabic speaker myself and I already spelled Salah and I though it doesn't seems right, so I changed it to Salat, and Thank You. CrvzyDxvil (talk) 09:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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Paragraph out of place: 'While some sects claimed that those killed in this way...' Colcsc (talk) 10:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 30 January 2025

Salah → Salat – This is the form preferred by Merriam-Webster (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/salat) and Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/salat). Ngrams also show higher usage for "salat" above "salah" (https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=salah%2Csalat&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3). The Oxford Dictionary of Islam (https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195125580.001.0001/acref-9780195125580-e-2075), The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World (https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195305135.001.0001/acref-9780195305135-e-0701), the Brill Encyclopedia of Islam (https://doi.org/10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_0983), and the Encyclopaedia Britannica (https://www.britannica.com/topic/salat) all title the entry "salat" instead of salah. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 20:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per @Iskandar323's argument in a previous discussion:
It should be Salah when written in isolation; it should only become Salat when the word is followed by the possessive, e.g. when one is specifying which Salah it is, such as in Salat al-Fajr.
𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 13:54, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

We should not be beholden to the rules of Arabic grammar as this is the English Wikipedia. We should focus on the common name in English-language sources. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 14:06, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Google ngram shows that Salah is the common name 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 14:08, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

This is only counting for capitalized forms, however salat (according to Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, and this Wikipedia article) is uncapitalized, and when looking at the ngrams for the uncapitalized forms, "salat" is more frequently used. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 14:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Indeed, Merriam-Webster itself says "salah" is the "less commonly" used form. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 14:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)